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PostSubject: Ram Jaane   Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:30 am

Well, I already wrote at length about this film... It may not be a good movie per se, so I don't really recommend it to anyone, but I still like a lot... In fact, a lot more than many more recent films, including some SRK's ones. What I liked about it was its humanistic message and the tragic nature of SRK's character, it just struck a chord. Shahrukh is both hot in this and I felt incredibly sorry for him. That, for me, is a deadly combination. Smile

Besides, I've got a lot of lovely pics from this film that I can share. Smile



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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:17 am

The story had potential, but somehow it was all too much and all too forced for me....
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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:39 pm

Amazing pictures:

http://s58.radikal.ru/i159/0905/bd/147a32886386.jpg
Shocked so flawless!


I really like this film, its a little OTT but then again that kind of works for the film, this is one of srks most nicest performances. Juhi was fantastic in her role but was kind of wasted but then again i forgive her as she didnt want to do the film tongue songs are awesome! i love vivek too hes so underated.
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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:47 am

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Juhi was fantastic in her role but was kind of wasted but then again i forgive her as she didnt want to do the film
Didn't she? I wonder why?... I liked her a lot in "Ram Jaane", didn't think she was wasted here at all.









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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:16 am

Sad fan video Sad I think this song fits the movie perfectly. Only it's in Russian.



The translation of the song (rather clumsy since it's by me and done in a hurry Smile )

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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:18 am

Skazhi mne "da" -- Say "yes" to me


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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:42 am

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The story had potential, but somehow it was all too much and all too forced for me....
Yes, it has its faults... but it also has a staunch supporter in me. Very Happy "Don", for instance, is a much more stylish and slicker film. Yet, as far as I'm concerned, it has no heart and no soul. It seems like everyone likes "Don" and hardly anyone cares for "Ram Jaane". I'm the other way round -- don't care for "Don" whatsoever but care a lot for "Ram Jaane". Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:32 pm

I didn't "love" the movie..but i liked it!hehe Razz

I loved Juhi-Srk's chemistry in the film!The songs between them were quite good! Very Happy

Lovely videos! Love Had seen some vids earlier..really liked them!
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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:27 pm

starrysky wrote:
Gaja Gamini wrote:
The story had potential, but somehow it was all too much and all too forced for me....
Yes, it has its faults... but it also has a staunch supporter in me. Very Happy "Don", for instance, is a much more stylish and slicker film. Yet, as far as I'm concerned, it has no heart and no soul. It seems like everyone likes "Don" and hardly anyone cares for "Ram Jaane". I'm the other way round -- don't care for "Don" whatsoever but care a lot for "Ram Jaane". Smile

I liked Don because it was thrilling and a damn good re-make with solid perfomances. And I don´t think we should really compare it to Ram Jaane, because there is really nothing the two filmd would have in common. SRK plays a negative character, but while Don is pure evil, Ram Jaane simply was born on the wrong place and to the wrong people....

As a character, yes, Ram Jaane is more sympathetic. But as far as performances, consistency and X-factor goes, DOn will be always on top.
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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:44 am

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I loved Juhi-Srk's chemistry in the film!The songs between them were quite good!
Yes, that's what I liked too ))) Chemistry, songs and Shahrukh's character.

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Lovely videos! Had seen some vids earlier..really liked them!

Thanks, Nazzy!

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As a character, yes, Ram Jaane is more sympathetic. But as far as performances, consistency and X-factor goes, DOn will be always on top.
Nah... for me Ram Jaane is on top... I mean, my mind probably agrees with you, but my heart doesn't. Smile Don is nowhere near my top-50 fave Indian films... I brought it up to make a point that though lacking in technical aspects, in terms of emotions, Ram Jaane scores much better for me than such slick movies like Don. They are two antipodes for me -- one is oh-so-slick but soulless, the other is clumsy but has a lot of heart. I'm not claiming that many people will agree with me on this. If someone has not seen both these movies, I'd be prepared to bet that they would like Don much better because that's the "general consensus". But it doesn't affect my opinion...


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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:53 am

The technical aspects of films are usually the last thing I´m interested in, really. that is one reason why I prefer older films to new ones. Don will one day look outdated - just as the old Don and old bond films look now.... Ram Jaane will not - as won´t many of the 90s films.

What turned me off in Ram Jaane was just "trying to hard to be evil" performances from Shahrukh, "not trying to act at all" performance by Vivek and overally the mood and whatever might have been the message of the film....

BTW I´m not trying to argue or undermine you here Very Happy Just putting down some thoughts....
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PostSubject: Re: Ram Jaane   Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:55 am

I think this is a great review summing up most of my feelings (except they liked SRk´s performance which I did not)

http://p-pcc.blogspot.com/2008/03/ram-jaane-1995.html

"SRK apologists make a lot of hooplah of his acting in films like Swades or Chak De! India, but the PPCC would like to the advance the no doubt unpopular argument that SRK was truly a golden performer back in the day. That is, we have always been far more impressed with the manic, vulnerable, old school SRK of Darr and Baazigar than with the manufactured media product of post-2000. (Though the media product looks better.) Our most recent confirmation of the proto superstar's magnetism is in Ram Jaane.

A shameless remake of Angels with Dirty Faces, Ram Jaane follows the hard-knock life of an anonymous urchin. When said urchin asks a local holy man his name, the man says, "Ram Jaane!" (God knows) And so it goes. Ram Jaane assumes this name for himself, and it comes to represent his past, present, and future. What will happen now? God knows! He was born in a dumpster and grew up in prison. When the adult Ram Jaane (Shah Rukh Khan) leaves the clink, he runs into childhood friend, Murli (Vivek Mushran). Murli has become a certified Do Gooder, and his orphanage, Apna Ghar (My/Your Home), has become a haven for urchins much like Ram Jaane. RJ also runs into his childhood obsession, Bela (Juhi Chawla). Yearning to re-join the childhood trio, but unable to shake off his criminal connections, RJ charms himself into the Apna Ghar community, becoming its informal bodyguard.

When rival hoodlums attempt to steal away the orphanage's land, RJ lays the murderous smackdown, and this leads to a flashpoint of violence and death for the orphanage. An increasingly anxious Murli decides that RJ's influence is poison for the orphans, and he begs Bela - who loves him, but is beloved by RJ - to emotionally con RJ into redemption. When this prostition-for-morals fails because Bela is unwilling to put out, RJ learns that she was faking it - for her heart was with Murli. Hurt and angry, he lashes out at both and regrets it. He then engages on a suicide run, and much melodrama ensues.

This movie is just what it sounds like: pure pulp. The pulpy vibe is reinforced by its comic book presentation: vibrant colors, stark lighting, even posters of Batman and Superman on the walls. Its themes are bleak and hopeless: the ending, in particular, is a toss-up between two awful interpretations, both too painful to accept. We assume that this bleakness, however, comes mostly from the original. What SRK brings to the role is what he had in ample quantities back in the 90s: a capacity for frenzied vulnerability, where emotional wounds are deep and obvious. In many ways, Ram Jaane is just like Ajay/Vijay of Baazigar or Rahul of Darr: protagonists who want something desperately (usually Juhi Chawla) and who are viciously denied this, usually with some emotional trickery along the way by an empty-headed tease. In all three films, SRK is the anti-hero you end up sympathizing with, even as he crosses moral thresholds which ensure his doom.

There was a lot of inventiveness to SRK's performance. As the stuttering, hyper goonda, all twitchy energy, he constantly peppered his lines with sala-a! and ending on nearly Cantonese-sounding kya-a-a. But then - finally some acting! - SRK turned this charicature on its head by presenting these behaviors as nervous mannerisms and a facade, for his scenes with Juhi were a world apart.

The character of Murli, meanwhile, was like an update of Shashi Kapoor's reformist cop from Chor Sipahee, except without Shashi's looks, charm, or empathy. Vivek Mushran had an excellent ability to look pained, but we had a bit of trouble believing he really cared for RJ or Bela or the children. And his involvement in the Bela Fiasco just further undermined his moral credibility.

Unfortunately, Bela was a disgrace to female characters. The PPCC has oft complained of mainstream Hindi film heroines: more often that not, they are vapid, vacuous and unempowered. The worst can be seen in the 2002 Devdas and Jab Jab Phool Khile - two films which not only reflect patriarchal chauvinism at its worst, but also actively preach it as a desirable "norm"! The prostition of Bela by Murli is so infuriating, it became difficult to watch. The reasoning of the film is as follows: RJ loves Bela, Bela loves Murli, Murli doesn't love Bela but worries about RJ. Murli thus decides that Bela should return RJ's love in an effort to reform him - Murli asks Bela to do this "for him" (meaning Murli), that is, to make this sacrifice of her dignity (and possibly her virginity?) for Murli, who does not even return her affections. Bela obliges, of course. But the film is ambiguous as to how far Murli expects Bela to go: what, exactly, is going to reform RJ? Faux love? Sex? Is Bela supposed to love RJ for real? Does Murli expect RJ to be fooled by Bela's fake love? Obviously not. So is it sexual? Obviously not that, either.

Whatever it is, it was grotesque in a way that Juhi's similar emotional con from Darr was not. At least in Darr, Juhi's character was empty-headed but acting on her own survival instinct. In Ram Jaane, Bela is supposedly Murli's sacrificial prostitute for reforming RJ - and she's supposed to have the moral upper hand, too! Ughhhh... This aspect of the film was just terrible, almost to the point that it dragged the film down with it. Thankfully, this whole sequence - which is no doubt supposed to carry emotional resonance - is not overly milked, and so we're spared any prolonged tortures. It soured us enough though, so that what should have been some fun, pulpy melodrama actually became troublesome."
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